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Steps_Descending · Jan 31, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

True but who wants to do the GWEN quests 500 times for points? In a way it's still grinding.

FALSE! you do them once to finish them (first title)

then a 2nd time (second armor)

then a 3rd time IF you need yet another armor, in wich case you have farmed for your money or use Ebay (third armor)

then a 4 time because you now know them like the back of you hand and just feel like do them again (4th armor)

then type /beatgw:en

cellardweller · Jan 31, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

True but who wants to do the GWEN quests 500 times for points? In a way it's still grinding.

Its no different to having the elite canthan armours available in the endzone of factions. When you complete the main storyline you will have the armour availble to you.

Steps_Descending · Jan 31, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Hey cellarDweller is it me or this is starting to be running in circle.

MithranArkanere · Jan 31, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39

GW:EN is non lineal, and have books, and a lot of things to do around to get points.

It's only rank 5. Clearing 3..5 areas and some luck with bonuses and you are done, rank 5.

ShadowsRequiem · Jan 31, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Its no different to having the elite canthan armours available in the endzone of factions. When you complete the main storyline you will have the armour availble to you.

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

MithranArkanere · Jan 31, 2008, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Or you can make 2 dungeons.

It's not a campaign, there are no missions, just dungeons and quests. There are a lot of thing to do.

CyberMesh0 · Jan 31, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

...you think ONE playthrough of EotN to get armor is grind?

Wow.

/notsigned

cellardweller · Jan 31, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

R5 is 26000, 20000 of which comes from the handbook you get by completing the game. Even if you did nothing but complete the primary quests and didn't pick up a single blessing along the way, you would have reached r5 deldrimore and asuran, and the other two are covered by taking blessings as you go.

Vanguard:
Search for the Ebon Vanguard 250
The Missing Vanguard 1000
Assault on the stronghold 1000
Against the char 1000
Dawn of the Rebellion 250
what must be done 250
Warband of Brothers 1500
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Total points after finishing - 5250

Asura:
Knowledgable Asura 1000
Finding the Bloodston 3000
Finding Gadd 250
The elusive geomancer 3000
Lab space 250
A little help 250
G.O.L.E.M 1500
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Total points after finishing - 9250

Norn:
Northen allies 1000
Tracking the nornbear 250
Curse of the nornbear 1000
Flames of the bear spirit 250
Blood washes blood 500
A gate too far 1000
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Total points after finishing - 4000

Deldrimore:
A time for heroes 5000
Against the destoryers 1000
Destruction's depths 3000
Heart of the shiverpeaks 1750
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Total points after finishing - 10750

If the requirement was r10, r8 or even r6 I'd be on your side because then you really would be grinding, but the game is designed so that you'll finish at r5 which is why I'm ok with it.

Skyy High · Jan 31, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

So...it's the same, except you also have the "grind" option; if you want to, it's faster. Where's the problem?

Operative 14 · Jan 31, 2008, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Make the title account based, and then you only need to do it with one character.

Now THAT I can agree with! I don't mind having to do it once for each track, but having to do it each time for each character really does start to be grind after the third of fourth time you want a simple pair of sun glasses.

And in a quick response to your other post from me; yes, it does seem a bit ludicrous to compare having to earn prestige in a game to buying things in Taiwan. But, on the other side of that token, doesn't it also seem a bit odd to have to earn 'respect' from a bunch of 0's and 1's? Where exactly do we draw the line at comparisons?

pumpkin pie · Jan 31, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Lets Make ectos drop everywhere.

I think someone say getting elite armor is prestigious and to be prestigious you have to grind and grind is bad, so to take out the grinding factor in GW by eliminating the grind for gold to buy ectos, I petition to make ectos drop everywhere.

To be honest, i've been collecting ectos since I started playing, that is 2 years plus ago, and I still don't have enought gold and ectos to make ONE FoW armor for my male necro. Do I complain that the armorer is too far away, do I complain that ectos is way to expensive and needs to grind to get? well NO. so comparing to FoW armor, GWEN's armor is 100 time easier to obtain SO WHY ARE YOU GUYS MOANING? Not to mention you can't go to FoW with Heros/Hench, plus you use to have to pay 1k to go there.

**cosyfiep** · Jan 31, 2008, 07:57 AM // 07:57

while I can understand that getting 40k faction is a bit daunting at first (and on the 2nd and etc characters), it does make it more desirable ---not quite within easy reach, some effort required.
At first I was also unhappy about the amount needed, but seeing as I have done r5 with about 6 characters already (and still need to punch out a few factions more on others), its getting easier for me (just dont like the ebon ones---need more areas for that).

so I will have to agree with the
/not signed
group .....would have had it rather be like 36k, but heck thats only 1 more time clearing out the area---and whats one more time when you have already done it 10????

freekedoutfish · Jan 31, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

Now THAT I can agree with! I don't mind having to do it once for each track, but having to do it each time for each character really does start to be grind after the third of fourth time you want a simple pair of sun glasses.

And in a quick response to your other post from me; yes, it does seem a bit ludicrous to compare having to earn prestige in a game to buying things in Taiwan. But, on the other side of that token, doesn't it also seem a bit odd to have to earn 'respect' from a bunch of 0's and 1's? Where exactly do we draw the line at comparisons?

That begs the queston, why are you playing a computer game if you only look at the entire thing as 0s and 1s?

If you want to interact with real people and accomplish things which you feel are worth while because the people involved are real, then go to the pub and socialise. I know id much rather be down the pub right now, then sat at a PC replying to this!

If you choose to play an RPG/MMO which has a set storyline and character development and deep interaction between characters and races, then you have to accept the boundaries of that storyline. In this case the fact you have to earn respect from the Norn, Asura, Drawf and Vanguard before they make you armor and weapons.

If you dont want to play a game with a storyline and all you want is to "do as you please" then find a different game. Go play Halo where all you have to do is kill stuff. But if you choose to play an RPG you have to accept there is going to be aspects like this.

Sorry I know that all sounds harsh, but im finding it astounding people cant grasp this idea of needing to show the races in GWEN that you're worthy of their gear before they make it for you.

People rave about the storylines in GWs and yet right now, all im hearing is "screw the storyline as long as I get what I want easier".

Does it not matter that by removing the rank requirement it will kill the entire point of doing quests for these people, in order to prove yourself? As I said; Make the titles account based, so atleast you have to earn that respect once, and then you can do "as you want".

Markaedw · Jan 31, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

What galls me over this whole "respect" thing: I don't remeber any Dwarves fighting by my side when I held off the assault at Thunderhead Keep. Where were the Norns when I was huting Titan Lords. An Asurian would have been nice when I went after gods.

I've been kicking a$$ and taking names all over this planet. What have the Norns been doing, woking on their drunkard title. I'm to good for them, frankly.

"I can be a bear!!", "Wow, I can be an avatar of a god"
"I can create a level 20 Mursaat for 1 minute", "Wow, I can create a level 26 flesh golem, for 5 minutes"
"I go into caves" "Wow, I go into the realms of the gods"
"We fight Charr", "Wow, I fight gods"

Big Freaken Deal!!!

freekedoutfish · Jan 31, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Markaedw

What galls me over this whole "respect" thing: I don't remeber ant Dwarves fighting by my side when I held off the assault at Thunderhead Keep. Where were the Norns when I was huting Titan Lords. An Asurian would have been nice when I went after gods.

I've been kicking a$$ and taking names all this planet. What have the Norns been doing, woking on their drunkard title. I'm to good for them, frankly.

"I can be a bear!!", "Wow, I can be an avatar of a god"
"I can create a level 20 Mursaat for 1 minute", "Wow, I can create a level 26 flesh golem, for 5 minutes"
"I go into caves" "Wow, I go int the realms of the gods"
"We fight Charr", "Wow, I fight gods"

Big Freaken Deal!!!

Its amazing how a person can blow something out of proportion and twist it in such a negative way, simply to try and make their point.

People are looking far too much into this whole "reputation" thing!

Its just a "freaken" game! Did the canthas or elonians come to help us fight the flame seeker? Nope! Did the tyrians help anyone from cantha or elona? Nope!

Guess what... thats because their different campaigns and expansions!!

*big bright bulb above head*

Their storylines are meant to be seperate from one another for the most part. Yes there will be the odd character move over between lands or maybe come accross the same demi-boss, but their fundimentally different games.

Stop over complicating this stuff with "well the Norn didnt help me in tyria" or "the Drawfs in prophercies make your armor or free". Those are different games and different drawfs.

GWEN is primarily made up races and cultures who havent had much contact with humans. We only see Drawfs in prophercies when we enter the southern shiverpeaks, but those drawfs have had years of human contact and respect humans.

Any drawfs or vanguard in GWEN havent!

Its just simply meant to get this idea accross that GWEN is a new land, brely explored and touched by tyrians. So you have to earn respect from the new people there.

Kurt · Jan 31, 2008, 12:13 PM // 12:13

You're joking right? It's so easy to reach rank 5 in a title

lyra_song · Jan 31, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Its just simply meant to get this idea accross that GWEN is a new land, brely explored and touched by tyrians. So you have to earn respect from the new people there.

I dont even see this as a respect thing. Its just like the SS/LB points in nightfall.

Rank is designed to measure forward storyline progress that can be achieved through pure grinding (if you didnt like quests).

In essence it replaces gates from factions in limiting how far you can go or what you can do until you finish a specific goal.

"I have to reach Rank 5" is essentially the same as "I have to beat Shiro and talk to the armorer guy at the very end".

We can debate how much boring the journey can be one way or another, but the design of the system is the same either way: PLAY THE GAME, SO YOU CAN GET THE STUFF

to which some people will say "But I don't wanna...its boring! Just give me the stuff."

Thats how i see this whole situation.

Mordiego · Jan 31, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

OMG! 14 pages thread about making some items more easily available at times of such depreciation and devaluation!!!! an outrage!!

I'd sign under making all monsters +2 lvls, all GWEN armors available at rank 6, Obsidian Armor available for KoBD R1+ only, Tormented gear for 20 gemsets, severeing Torment environment effects, adding similiar effects to Deep and Urgoz, etc.

can someone pls close this? outrageous demands should be enough for a ban! jeez guys- tha game is about achieveing things not getting them for 5-minute play. period. grow up

Isileth · Jan 31, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

OMG! 14 pages thread about making some items more easily available at times of such depreciation and devaluation!!!! an outrage!!

I'd sign under making all monsters +2 lvls, all GWEN armors available at rank 6, Obsidian Armor available for KoBD R1+ only, Tormented gear for 20 gemsets, severeing Torment environment effects, adding similiar effects to Deep and Urgoz, etc.

can someone pls close this? outrageous demands should be enough for a ban! jeez guys- tha game is about achieveing things not getting them for 5-minute play. period. grow up

I think you will find most people asking for this change dont want stuff easier. They just dont want grind.

I would support having harder enemies for example, but I wouldnt support needing KOABD to get armor.
Even if the grind isnt done away with at least give an option for non grind. Such as access to them if you complete the game. (The storyline)

ValaOfTheFens · Jan 31, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Just remove the requirement for the Dwarf armor. Why should I have to be r5 in their faction if I can't display their armor in HoM?